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Looking around, one can see why some people turn to Vegans, which is because of the insanely evil treatment of animals in slaughterhouses and the list goes. This is exactly practiced not because there is a "need" or a "necessity" as many claim, but for extremely high profits for the (((Plutocracy))) who wants animals to be grown up fast, modified and the list goes. This sort of thing is highly not necessary at all.


As the Jews write in the Protocols:

The intensified struggle for superiority and shocks delivered to economic life will create, nay, have already created, disenchanted, cold and heartless communities. [9]


Jewish Run China Forcing Veganism On Populations

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But let's be honest now, its not like suddenly the Governments that control the world, push the Jew World Order Agenda, such as in Communist China, who force-feed deadly vaccines to people, questionable cures, endless fluoride, extremely powerful psychedelic drugs, don't emphasize on physical well being, pay people lower than cattle, and grow people into fat missiles...Suddenly started to "Care" about people in any deep level. It should be evident to all people in the planet that there is an ulterior motive in the forceful pushing of Veganism, and not some sort of "interest" or any real concrete "help" reason this theme is coming up strong as of late. Also, its not "coming up". Its re-emerging, as it did exist before.

This is also, nothing new.

Thing is, though, most people don't really try to pay attention on what Veganism is actually. In the Bible itself, one can see the prohibitions of eating meat, and in the "lore" of these jewish systems, the "Goyim" (animals) are not allowed to feast on other "Animals" such as pigs and the list goes on. The jews themselves have strange murderous fetishism on "How" these animals are to be killed. They have to be killed in the most bizarre, torturous and damaging ways. They don't really just slay an animal quickly for the food, they literally sacrifice the animal slowly, and mercilessly, in a very specific way "approved" by the jewish "God".

While people try to "Eternalize" Veganism, I am sorry, but the Jewish Xian Church had you first:
"Unless a fast-free period has been declared, Orthodox Christians are to keep a strict fast every Wednesday and Friday. The following foods are avoided:
-Meat, including poultry, and any meat products such as lard and meat broth.
-Fish (meaning fish with backbones; shellfish are permitted).
-Eggs and dairy products (milk, butter, cheese, etc.)
-Olive oil. A literal interpretation of the rule forbids only olive oil. Especially where olive oil is not a major part of the diet, the rule is sometimes taken to include all vegetable oils, as -well as oil products such as margarine."


From the same site:

'Fasting is one of our greatest weapons against the Evil One. I will repeat what Father Lazarus told me once. In 1962, I went to the USA. I stayed there a long time and travelled to many states. The letters of Father Lazarus were a great help... He used to say: "Go anywhere you like, do whatever you like, as long as you observe Fasting"... Because not a single arrow of the Evil One can reach you when you fast. Never.'

— Ascetic of Love, the biography of Mother Gavrilia, pub. Series Talanto. pg. 200." [1]


The "Evil One". Ie, Satan. Satan is linked with meat eating, aside all the other "sins", such as meditation, and rebelliousness against the Jewish Hebraic Zombie "god". In this website, there are also other feasting "periods" that must be observed by the Good Goyim, in order for the Hebrew God to be "happy" and allow them into Heaven. Which, oops, but sorry, only exists for 144,000 elect Israelites who are chosen since the beginning of time, so don't bother Goyim. Just waste your life serving jews, hoping it might happen...

Why so much hate in regards to meat, that it had to even be associated with the Devil himself? Keep reading and we will see the problem unfolding.

The obvious was obviously, pushed in all Orphanages, Church towns, and the list goes. Even many universities used to be Christian Schools in the same way. Wherever Xianity had power, this rule was imposed. Disobedience to fasting, results in lovely hellfire after one is dead, eternally.

However the rules of the church no longer have any power on people. So new methods were invented.

So back to Jewish Slaughtering.

This is nothing new for the Jews who are accustomed to this for centuries and of course, do the same to even human beings and children- one just needs to read their history. . This is the reason why they have been driven out more than 100+ times from all decent and civilized countries in the world. After all, the "jew" is the only "Human being" and it is the only thing that deserves "Human treatment". Beasts are beasts and they are here to serve, and this includes Gentiles who are "beasts in Human form" [2]. Jews feast equally on other animals, or on "Goyim Animals". They keep the "Goyim Animals" for special celebrations, however.

To feast on Gentile people is actually part of their celebration and relationship with "God". As written in the Talmud:

Everyone who sheds the blood of the impious [non-Jews] is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God. -Yalkut 245c


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The blood drinking gore was given rise to by the jews. As for animals, the jews are commanded in the Torah to eat...Animals without blood. Which requires them to suffer and to be left bleeding for days, until the blood comes out from their body. This is why a lot of this insane industrial farming is going on.

But now you must not eat the flesh with the life, which is the blood, still in it. For the blood is the life."(Genesis 9:3-4) [4]


Bear the above in mind.

When people think of Veganism, they most of the time do really forget about our animal friends and familiars. To my present knowledge, our animal friends and pets *NEED* meat from protein, same as all Humans do but disregard this. Also, while people can pretend to be living "Vegan" while shoveling supplements, vitamins, custom proteins and the list goes, our animal friends can't really do the same. Neither Humans can do this, but anyway. Its necessary to kill.

Another Vegan hypocrisy is the supposed suffering of Animals. Plants do also "suffer" and its scientifically observed that they can pick up on sound, emotions and moods. Also, plants are equally exterminated everyday, thank jews, such as forests and the list goes. Plants do also get severe experimentations of them. The whole "merciful" thinking is highly tied into xianity, and the severe guilt complex a lot of people do acquire for not wanting to accept the laws of existence and life. You have to kill to eat. However, what defines a person as good, or a civilization, is how the growth and killing of these animals or plants that are to be eaten, is carried out. Is it "Kosher"?

Many people try to make eating meat sound like another "Shoah", try to guilt trip others, and all sorts of other insane methods. The awareness that non-vegans are some sort of criminals is also lurking around the corner. This is nothing less than the bible, and sometimes, this also escalates into actual full blown Xianity, where people just say ugly shit like "God doesn't allow meat eating" and they quote the bible in quotes like this....

“Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy.” —Matthew 5:7 [4]

“I will make for you a covenant on that day with the wild animals, the birds of the air, and the creeping things of the ground; and I will abolish the bow, the sword, and war from the land; and I will make you lie down in safety.” —Hosea 2:18
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Oy Vey, apparently, nobody will have to die anymore... In the "next life". Only an actual Vegan, or Xianized nut would believe this sort of un-scientific and unrealistic joke. In the meantime, the jews kosher slaughter and enjoy in the suffering of billions of human beings, animals and general life. This is exactly the line many people do follow in regards to this thing... Xianization...Of the diet. Hoping they are somehow doing some divine mandate on the planet by helping it. Even when breathing, you produce CO2 which actually, unless the trees were around to make oxygen, is a pollutant. Should we kill humanity now in order to stop this "suffering" from spreading? Let's get actual, shall we.

The ideal "Communist Society" is a worthless society, which of course is totally pacified and "Vegan", aside technologically enslaved and everything else. Supposedly, this is the "Future". What do the jews have to say about this "Utopian Future", same as Vegans, Bible Trumpers, and all sorts of other unrealistic servants of the jews?

"We have in our service persons of all opinions, of all doctrines, restarting monarchists, demagogues, socialists, communists, and utopian dreamers of every kind. We have harnessed them all to the task: Each one of them on his own account is boring away at the last remnants of Authority, is striving to overthrow all established form of Order. By these acts all States are in torture; They exhort to TRANQUILITY, are ready to sacrifice everything for peace: We will not give them peace until they openly acknowledge our international super-goverment, and with submissiveness. The people have raised a howl about the necessity of settling the question of Socialism by way of an international agreement. "[9] -The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, Protocol 9, "Jewish Superstate"


Part of this "ideal" society is also pacification of the diet for bizarre reasons. It should be evident. As it can be seen in the part 2 of my reply, it’s not just "diet", as the average worker thinks of it today, being a money consumer that doesn't have land ownership etc. Its about ANIMALS and the FREEDOM people have in being in control of their own food, to grow their own food, and have ownership. This is also an underhanded attack to farmers themselves. Animals also in turn produce wealth, or at least, freedom. The Rune for Wealth is Fehu, which literally means, CATTLE. Cattle even in the bible also symbolize wealth.

One member not long ago came to the groups and wrote one lengthy message about how he and his wife followed the strict "Vegan" diet, without supplements and anything. At around one month, his wife started losing the hair from her head. It may take different times for different people, but the danger is there and once one's body starts running on its reserves, this is bad as it means its depleted. Proteins are named Proteins from the Greek [Protes Ines] which means first essences. These are the first essences upon which the body is built.

Now as about non necessary stuff like, furs for jewish grannies and whores, leather seats in some car, or something like that, these are IMO completely worthless and they are no longer needed. They can be modified and with the technology we possess now, these can be made custom. There are also better materials. As for animals who are killed for food anyway, this is nothing bad as their skin is not needed after their death (which let's hope has been humane and noble). The jews are told however to skin animals and that this is a command from "God". This must happen, or otherwise, ritual tools of the jews such as the "Tefilin" cannot be created. [2]

However this ugly thing corporations do in Communist China, wiping out the skin of live animals, because they don't want to euthanatize each one due to high cost, is a practice that is deplorable and of the ugliest ever.

Animals are Skinned Alive on Chinese Fur Farms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLcgxIGTFRs [6]


The Ancient Pagans did in fact respect animals a lot. This is why in all of our Pagan cultures, you see animals everywhere. Animals weren't slaughtered without thoughtful measures and without paying tribute to the Gods that were protecting the Animals. A dead Cat in Egypt would result into the death of the offender. The animals had an equal footing to Humans and were considered beings in their own free will. The enemy abhorred this respect of animals and this can be seen in the bible, who uses the term "dog" as a derogatory term for Pagans and others. No animal is disgraceful, let alone the animals that help us survive (like dogs, cats and cattle), except of the jewish cockroach who is a useless parasite. Gods are portrayed AS animals, or WITH animals. [7]

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What does the Jewish Bible say about this, though?

"In the Torah, humanity is given dominion over animals (Gen. 1:26), which gives us the right to use animals for legitimate needs. Animal flesh can be consumed for food; animal skins can be used for clothing. The Torah itself must be written on parchment (animal hides), as must the scrolls for mezuzot and tefillin, and tefillin must be made out of leather. " [5]

"They shall no longer sacrifice their slaughtered beasts to the demons whom they wantonly follow. This shall be a rule binding on them and their descendants for all time." (Leviticus 17:7). [4]


In the quote of the Genesis above, we see JokeHova the jew, affirms basically what the jews follow as the "Kosher" process of eating food, NOT the old process. Its part of following the commandments of this being.

Apparently, we Gentiles aren't allowed to "sacrifice" anymore, ie, Consecrate our animals with Divine Respect if they are to be eaten. The jews are the inventors of the term "sacrifice" in the first place. The sacrifices of Oxen and other creatures weren't the grotesque process the jews affirm they are, to actually hide their murderous psychopathy as "normal". The accurate term for the Pagan people was "Consecration". Meat was considered holy already in these times. In the kike religion, it had to be "cleansed" in the "Kosher" ritual. But lo and behold, we are allowed by "God", like the Jews, to just go "Kosher" mode on animals.

The 3rd Reich stood for all these rights. Animal rights, worker's rights and abolishing of Jewish Influence in general. Hitler himself was capable to be a vegetarian, while not a "vegan". However, this is for the people who are possible to do this without implications.

Below a video of this "holy" procedure, and how the Nazis educated and attempted to annihilate this monstrous practice [Warning- Gore]:

Hitler Saves Animals From Barbaric Kosher Slaughter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StWoPBRRs9U


One thing to also look for is how JHVH gets jealous on the supposed "Jews" worshipping him in the form of a Golden Calf. Animals are lower than God, the same goes for the Goyim animals that came up with this "conclusion". Jews are as thus told to degrade animals in general, and dishonor them if their image every receives "honor":

Exodus 23:8 They have been quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made themselves an idol cast in the shape of a calf. They have bowed down to it and sacrificed to it and have said, ‘These are your gods, Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.’

Exodus 23:9 “I have seen these people,” the Lord said to Moses, “and they are a stiff-necked people. 10 Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation.”


As for home grown animals, free range, nice animals, who have had their life so to say, aren't unhappy animals at all. Their death is painless and fast. Not all animals are meant for farming in this way. Industry farming is the worst, as these animals suffer all the time and without any reason in particular. One should not let these lines blur however.

___More on Part 2.


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Meat doesn't need to be abolished, as many naive "Vegan trumping" people say. This is the same shit like when idiots say, "Money is the root of all evil", so we must go in a "Non Monetized society" (ie, Communism). Its not money that is evil, its not meat, and these are scapegoats. The jews just force these logical dilemmas to get people penniless, in control, and to wipe out their freedoms. A gun doesn't kill unless there is a finger behind the trigger. That's the fact. Its the how and why behind these matters that matters. The jews always make how and why very ugly, perverted and evil. The jews hate it when the Goyim have similar "freedoms" to them. This is very "ungodly" in their eyes.

One major Vegan thing is like the Communists, which both pretend if they do their "personal change" (one abolishing money, the other abolishing meat) they sort of stop this thing from going out worldwide. Not only they do not, but they further this.

In fact, the less demand, the more experimentations will take place, the more murder of animals, all in vain: The food will just be thrown in the garbage cans, or re-fed to pigs and other innocent animals, that simply get cancer from this recurring process that will happen over and over again. The jews will not stop meat production, or their tribal ethics, just because few Goys stopped eating meat.

They will just further Genetically Modify meat, experiment on it, and add even more chemicals to attract more customers. Maybe if these retards actually had money, and were decent meat eaters with a rebellious nature, or know about the Jewish Terror, they *WOULD* cause some impact. Nobody cares about your "diet" habit and how many "Holocausts" of Chickens you are going to save by this abstience... and you must deal with it. Infact, demand for *BETTER* meat and *BETTER* methods of killing the animals, would make things better.

Communists, like Vegans, behind closed doors practice the contrary of what they preach to the stupid masses who believe their lies. Commies want to steal all ownership from others, they have wet dreams about it, while Vegans do shovel Vitamin B12 and bloody steaks down their throat. Only the "Goyim" follow letter by letter the Jewish crap and lies.

THE JEW TEACHES TO PEOPLE THAT BY LEAVING THEIR RIGHTS, THE PROBLEMS GO AWAY (such as in the case of money or meat or salaries). THE PROBLEMS DO *NOT* GO AWAY. THEY GET BIGGER. THE ONLY WAY THINGS BECOME "BETTER" IS WHEN PEOPLE FIGHT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THEIR HARD EARNED, RIGHTS. THIS PACIFISM AND QUITTING NATURE IS EXACTLY WHAT XIANITY PREACHES.

The message is not to get into the toy dialectic of which diet is the most "important", either. I suppose the answer is simple, the one that makes you function better. IMO, its just the BALANCED diet that is the best. One just has to practice moderation, avoid junk food, avoid trash, listen to their body, and they ought be fine. Writing huge novels about bizarre diets and how these will magically change a person entirely, from a stick to Hulk Hogan, should knock as bunk to people who think about this.

Let's not get on the other grounds of the new age, which also include that eating only greens somehow...Makes you an ascended master... Or that by eating a steak, you will become a spiritually weak person. This sounds like Christianity 2.0, yet again. "Don't eat meat you will burn in hell". "Don't eat meat, you will spiritually not advance". Pure, LOL's.

Another thing in regards to the governments. The jews who at the present have taken hold on most world governments, they think about the matter way simply. It doesn't matter what their dis-info agents in the biz, or their "doctors" or other crapsters say about all that stuff, as they are on orders to do so. They think it simply. Why should the Goyim animals, have meat in the first place? Meat gives vigor and power, which in turn might result in disobedience. People that are frail, weak, and have to deal with deadly health issues, not only they cannot revolt, but they can't do anything against anyone indeed. The jews also think it even more simply and to their interest.

The Goyim is a supposed worker. A worker must not demand meat, and luxuries, let alone diet luxuries, let alone ownership. If you can convince people that by eating weeds and stuff, they are OK, while they serve you, all the better. More money for the jewish pockets, more profit for them, more docility and in general, only gains for the jews. The narrative also about the "mercy" about animals sounds like Christianity 2.0, because paradoxically, the "Goyim" (consumers) are blamed, for what jews and their animal farms are actually causing. The pain is not caused by the consumer, but by those who make these products.

Salary or whatever few bucks a worker in the jewish system is supposed to get, are supposed to go to food and shelter (in advanced countries only). Gradually, people are reduced to "no home" incomes as well. Which in fact again accounts to Communism. The cheaper the food, and the worse the shelter, the better for the jew. If these two can be closely abolished, even better, for the people are approaching better the Communist "ideal" society.

The jews wouldn't even pay workers if they could. They are animals after all, in the jewish mind, created by "God" to serve the Jew. They don't deserve the freedom of getting a pay. This is why in their "ideal" society, people are nothing but cattle, and they just need to eat grass, completely pacified and servile. And that's it. Work, eating grass, and not even having a territory one owns.

A Jew need not pay a gentile the wages owed him for work. Sanhedrin 57a [10]


Gentiles are *NOT* entitled to *ANY* ownership. This obviously included animals, luxuries and anything else:

All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which consequently is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general.

A Jew may rob a Goy, he may cheat him over a bill, which should not be perceived by him, otherwise the name of God would become dishonoured. -Zohar, Vayshlah 177b


What many people really forget is that owning animals, and eating animals, does actually produce freedom, such as having your own milk, your own land and the list goes on. This creates an independent caste of people who are not dependent into the hand of anyone for their survival. Animas+Land = Survival, Freedom, Independence. The jew hates both of these rights, that tie one on another.

As jews let us know in their "Talmud":

Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations. Yebamoth 63a. [10]


The jews make everything Communism, including Capitalism which is just Communism in the long-term in many ways, as it can be observed in the Capitalist collapsing dream.. Just take a look around at all the young unemployed people, and people who have supposedly high educations, but will never get a job- in contrast to naked invaders that enter with the desire to kill natives, while the Governments only help the latter find work. They also give them free housing, food and shelter. A native person in most of these countries, is supposed to die on the streets and helpless unless they mind their own business, or unless there is some sort of welfare for them. The migrant invader will survive because they will receive help. Quite the justice.

One can see the Jews attack the worker's rights of the Goyim, all the time. Just look on the USSR. No rights, no ownership, no nothing. People were stacked up in factories and work camps like pigs, illiteracy was rampant, and nobody had access to meat and other "luxuries". Only Stalin and his clique. Naturally, the jew who is all about misery, affliction and death, doesn't want the slave Goyim to ask for anything. In their mind, an animal is not supposed to have anything anyway. The Workers class is not a human class with dignity. Its nothing but a low slime, like a donkey or any other animal, in the jewish mind. This is why the worker's class, is the most productive, and the most punished and the least entitled than all other "classes" of the jewish system.

This is apparent in Europe. People that worked their whole lives, are pretty much living it really average for the scope of their "country". Swindling jewish politicians, "entitled muh feelers" who jump from the country borders and get insane pensions/welfare, and general parasites that do nothing, get rewarded the most, from worker's class taxpayer money. The money goes to alien people that never did anything to build the actual country, or at least belong to the citizens of this country. The same goes for the elderly, which in many European countries stricken by recession and migrant problems, get all the blunt of the jewish policies in the last years of their life. All these "luxuries" such as retirement, are abhorred by the jews, this is why the jews constantly undermine and destroy these in politics. The animal is too old to serve? Why keep him around? Kill the animal - this is how the jews think of Humanity. Just read their writtings.

One of the reason "JHVH" (personification of the jews) destroys the "Babel" tower, is because people were reaching "God". In plain, because a civilization became too advanced. The same goes for Egypt, Rome and elsewhere, and the same went for the National Socialist Germany. Too high standards of living, and the jewish parasitic policy and Soul, cannot get people into this, because its contrary to their hardwiring and existence. The jew is a slaver and produces pleasures only for the sake of further enslavement in the longterm, not so that people can have a good time or survive better.

This forces the jews to have a "higher standard of living" and this comes from White countries, where people bled for generations so that now people can eat meat everyday. The asking for higher standards of living, for any civilization that wants to advance, calls for the eradication and removal of the jewish pest and influence that keeps civilization behind. I recall one very old member of my family, told me that in WW2, they would eat meat twice a month, or once a month, and they were thankful for it. Meat was as rare as gold. Now people somehow don't appreciate this and they want to turn into the narrative on how useless it is. These people however, did appreciate it.

As for the USSR, I asked one person living there in the late 60's, and what they told me is that once a month, someone would kill one pig in a whole village, and everyone was making a party on how they could get one piece of the pig. Normally, people just ate whatever else. Let alone, when the USSR bloc fell in 1985, all these women had to become hookers in order just to survive. More profits for the jews who sold them around as "White Meat". This was due to illiteracy and due to the fact that this slave state was only closed and within itself. Most of these people couldn't write their own name properly in their own supposed "language".

Remember, slaves don't need luxuries, and they must always work for the jew- that's the jewish thought. In the Jewish Mind, Animals and Gentiles are in the same boat, and they deserve, by Divine mandate, nothing more than the roughest and most ugly treatment.

“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.”

“In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money.

“This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.”

“Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat… That is why gentiles were created.”

-Chief Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, Weekly Saturday night sermon in October 2010



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Sources for Part 1 and 2:

[1]:http://www.abbamoses.com/fasting.html
[2]:http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/81814/jewish/Tefillin-and-Its-Significance.htm
[3]: Mihaly Munkacsy, painting on Hebrew Human Sacrifice Rituals
[4]: The "Holy" Bible
[5]: http://www.jewfaq.org/animals.htm
[6]: http://features.peta.org/ChineseFurFarms/
[7]: http://felineforever.com/cat-mythology-egypt.html
[8]: topic15313.html
[9]: -The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, Protocol 9, "Jewish Superstate", Protocol 4, "We shall Destroy God"
[10] "The Zohar", "The Talmud", "The Torah", plus Commentary - The most Holy of the Jewish Books.
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Totally true! Totally agree! Million thanks for this extremely important post! As an ex-vegan who woke up thanks for you guys, I can only affirm what you were exposing and explaining here.
I hope everyone will read this sermon too.
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This was an excellent sermon, HP Cobra. Meat is incredibly important. I didn't eat enough meat while growing up as my mother over-cooked all meat to the point of it being borderline inedible, and my health suffered for it.

Of course, the irony, I read this while eating a big plateful of roasted veggies :lol:
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Since I saw this video I am in great pain in my unconscious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLcgxIGTFRs

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I know. This is so horrible there are no words for it. Its exactly what the jews mention in the protocols. They are the one's causing this and they must be stopped. All life in the world suffers simply because of them and without any other reason.
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Thank you fro this insightful post. I understand the logic behind it- as I can see why pacifism would make no changes, how abstinence does not make the problem go away, and how it is the suffering of beings which is in question here. We must learn self sufficiency and live off the land, very true. However, I would like to point out that not all vegans are blindly following some dogma. There is activism, and even if it comes in the form of full blown veganism it still makes a difference in people's lives. It opens up eyes to the horrors the animals endure. It can shift demand, and put pressure on industries. It can highlight cruel religious practices, unveil bits of reality previously unseen.
I am very tired of watching all of this suffering around me. I myself am an intuitive soul which loves all of life. I have a deeep spiritual connection with all animals, so I cannot agree with your post aboutmeat being necessary because I do not see the need for me to murder a fellow being. I do not understand the logic behind that point. Do you consider them lowly beings somehow? I am not vegan to send a message, but as a personal preference. Additonally, B12 is a probelm that even meat eaters may have. This is a post particularly against veganism, and while it makes some valid points, it's a bit biased, assuming vegans feel deprived and even like the taste of animals. I speak for myself now as a vegan and say this is absolutely not the case, and I'm slightly confused about this whole concept.

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The reality is humans do require some animal products in their diet for health. We have been eating them for thousands of years and this has caused a nutrient adaptation that we do require them to a degree in our diet as we just can't get certain organic components of nutrient out of plants.

Veganism is so deficient that to not take just one supplement can kill you on the diet. That is just B12 that is not mentioning the fact many need to take other supplements such as calcium, Omega's, Taurine, Creatine, Vitamin A, Iron, and on with supplements. The reason many others have b12 issues is due to the mainstream diet in general it demineralizes the body the quality of food is junk. The reason's vegans have dangerous b12 issues is because they don't eat any animal products the reasons are different. The majority of the non vegan population with b12 issues also had a history of alcohol, drugs and general bad living.


The fact is 86 percent of people who try a Vegan diet just can't stay on it for long. Their body can't take it. We are omnivores. The healthiest populations do eat animal products.

The issue with Veganism is its lying to people with nonsense like carnism and speciesism.


What I noticed a lot of Vegans do is they allow their feelings to become facts.


yazyd wrote:
Thank you fro this insightful post. I understand the logic behind it- as I can see why pacifism would make no changes, how abstinence does not make the problem go away, and how it is the suffering of beings which is in question here. We must learn self sufficiency and live off the land, very true. However, I would like to point out that not all vegans are blindly following some dogma. There is activism, and even if it comes in the form of full blown veganism it still makes a difference in people's lives. It opens up eyes to the horrors the animals endure. It can shift demand, and put pressure on industries. It can highlight cruel religious practices, unveil bits of reality previously unseen.
I am very tired of watching all of this suffering around me. I myself am an intuitive soul which loves all of life. I have a deeep spiritual connection with all animals, so I cannot agree with your post aboutmeat being necessary because I do not see the need for me to murder a fellow being. I do not understand the logic behind that point. Do you consider them lowly beings somehow? I am not vegan to send a message, but as a personal preference. Additonally, B12 is a probelm that even meat eaters may have. This is a post particularly against veganism, and while it makes some valid points, it's a bit biased, assuming vegans feel deprived and even like the taste of animals. I speak for myself now as a vegan and say this is absolutely not the case, and I'm slightly confused about this whole concept.


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HP Mageson666 wrote:
The reality is humans do require some animal products in their diet for health. We have been eating them for thousands of years and this has caused a nutrient adaptation that we do require them to a degree in our diet as we just can't get certain organic components of nutrient out of plants.
Veganism is so deficient that to not take just one supplement can kill you on the diet. That is just B12 that is not mentioning the fact many need to take other supplements such as calcium, Omega's, Taurine, Creatine, Vitamin A, Iron, and on with supplements. The reason many others have b12 issues is due to the mainstream diet in general it demineralizes the body the quality of food is junk. The reason's vegans have dangerous b12 issues is because they don't eat any animal products the reasons are different. The majority of the non vegan population with b12 issues also had a history of alcohol, drugs and general bad living.
The fact is 86 percent of people who try a Vegan diet just can't stay on it for long. Their body can't take it. We are omnivores. The healthiest populations do eat animal products.
The issue with Veganism is its lying to people with nonsense like carnism and speciesism.
What I noticed a lot of Vegans do is they allow their feelings to become facts.
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I find quite a lot questionable about your post. You're making blanket statements with nothing to back them up. 'The reality is' what research has found, not your opinion. If studies find adverse effects of consuming animal products, do you simply ignore that? Perhaps small amounts and from specific sources may not be outright damaging health the same way copious amounts and doctored foods are, however there is no denying that even though we may have been eating them for that long we are now having epidemics. The standard diet surely cotnributes to this. Using the argument that we have always been a certain way doesn't mean we cannot now change. Furthermore, you fail to mention famines, starvation, diseases, scarcity and what we were forced to eat in history. Let me take the example of dairy and show that asian cultures with the least consumption of dairy have the lowest incidence of osteoporosis, a disease which excessive dairy consumption is supposed to prevent against. Look into the facts on how it causes it. Meat is now established as a cause for cancer. We are not fabricating results based on feelings. Animal agriculture is damaging to health, the environment, populations which sell their grains to feed the livestock which become steak for the more privileged, and most notably unethical. I leave this point until the end, because you did not answer my specific query. Do you view the ethical component of veganism as an issue? If so, why? I am happy to discuss as I am versed on these 'feelings' you speak of, and have more concrete stats than '86%' which can't stay on it for long (did you just make that up?) and I am also a proponent of 'live and let live'. So instead of making sweeping statements about veganism and somehow making the claim it is against this spiritual movement, perhaps you could just not mention at all. There are those which have an ethical issue with hurting other animals, and live fulfilling lives not consuming them or their products. Period. Perhaps we will engineer better ways to obtain B12. I am all for using that brain of ours, but I remain in the non-violence towards animals camp. And your statement about all the other supplements is again a falsehood. It is possible to thrive at all stages on a well planned vegan diet. B12 aside, other nutrients can very easily be obtained. A simple google search can demonstrate that to you. What you're touting here is propaganda against veganism, and I don't quite understand why. The nutrition you speak of in animal products is present, though why consume it encased in saturated fat, cancer causing compounds, toxins, antibiotics and hormones is beyond me. Obtain animal foods in some superior way? Let us know instead of making this entire thread anti-vegan, simply speak of what you do which you consider best. And have you been lied to by some vegans recently? I wish speciesism were a lie. Eating cows and keeping dogs for pets is speciest. Benenfitting from beings which do not have a voice is unethical, period. This includes funding sweat shops and child labour. So, particularly, I have a bone to pick with environmentally and ethically aware human beings which still consume animal products, missing entire species from their free world happy planet movement. A good example of non-speciesim would be serial killers which consume animals and also butcher humans. Or veganism.

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yazyd wrote:
I find quite a lot questionable about your post. You're making blanket statements with nothing to back them up. 'The reality is' what research has found, not your opinion. If studies find adverse effects of consuming animal products, do you simply ignore that?



No, I have read the books by the leading vegan doctors, listened to hours of their lectures as well as studied veganism for awhile on all its claims with an open mind. I also was on a plant based diet, and was vegetarian for years as well. That is were I found the actual evidence the healthiest people on earth eat animal products from the vegan doctors themselves in their lectures when they mentioned the Seventh Day Adventists and also the Okinawans, Kenyans and Hunza's the vegans bring up as well. None of these people are vegan or vegetarians.




yazyd wrote:
Perhaps small amounts and from specific sources may not be outright damaging health the same way copious amounts and doctored foods are, however there is no denying that even though we may have been eating them for that long we are now having epidemics. The standard diet surely cotnributes to this.


Were are the epidemic's? The healthiest people on earth eat animal products and don't need supplements to stay alive unlike vegans.



yazyd wrote:
Using the argument that we have always been a certain way doesn't mean we cannot now change.


Depends on the context, within this context we are dealing with a million years of genetic adaptation with its effects of genes with diet. This is the very real scientific reason most people can't thrive on a vegan diet. Even that vegan Doctor Klapner admitted this in one of his lectures on utube. Diet is linked to genetics this is a well established fact.




yazyd wrote:
Furthermore, you fail to mention famines, starvation, diseases, scarcity and what we were forced to eat in history. Let me take the example of dairy and show that asian cultures with the least consumption of dairy have the lowest incidence of osteoporosis, a disease which excessive dairy consumption is supposed to prevent against. Look into the facts on how it causes it. Meat is now established as a cause for cancer.


I am sure people with even a rudimentary grasp of history already know those things happened and still do. In fact its our ability to eat meat that saved many of our ancestors lives in the deep winters and times of scarcity of other forms of foods. Asian's still eat meat as part of their diet. The claims dairy is the reason for osteoporosis is in dispute and its interesting vegans have to either take calcium pills or buy fake vegan milk with b12 and calcium dumped into. Because they can't draw the need calcium out of their diets from plants and that puts them at risk of.....osteoporosis, its common for vegans to have dental issues for this reason. Processed meats which are junk, due have a strong link to cancer, but I already posted a European study on this site you can checkout that shows vegans and vegetarians suffer from high rates of cancer and heart disease.




yazyd wrote:
Animal agriculture is damaging to health, the environment, populations which sell their grains to feed the livestock which become steak for the more privileged, and most notably unethical.


Plant agriculture is just as damaging and resource consuming and its literally stripping the soil of millions of miles of earth of all life and turning it into a sand tract slowly. The situation with the grain dumping is the six major globalist food corporation's are price dumping to destroy the agricultural economics' of whole nations to monopolize control.


yazyd wrote:
I leave this point until the end, because you did not answer my specific query. Do you view the ethical component of veganism as an issue? If so, why?


I already answered that when I pointed out carnism and speciesism are ridiculous. Ethic's are simply decision ones makes on their personal moral ideology. And carnism and speciesism if the moralist ideology of veganism and its built upon bias conformation data and sophistry. Its all false.





yazyd wrote:
I am happy to discuss as I am versed on these 'feelings' you speak of, and have more concrete stats than '86%' which can't stay on it for long (did you just make that up?)


Every vegan I have every witnessed upon this earth all have an emotional investment in this. Studies even showed brain scans on vegans and vegetarians have more empathy then others. That is an emotional connection right there. Vegan activists themselves put this studied out there.

My mistake it was 84%, you could have just looked this up yourself as even vegans have covered this studied. Before accusing me of being a liar.....how emotional on your part.....

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/an ... n-meat-why



yazyd wrote:
and I am also a proponent of 'live and let live'.


Till it comes to the lives of those plants on your plate every day of your vegan life. Not to be facetious but the works of Beckett proved that plants do have consciousness and they do feel to and react to pain, fear and suffering like any other sentient being.

Its just your speciesism have made you ignorant to this fact. Plants are people too.




yazyd wrote:
So instead of making sweeping statements about veganism and somehow making the claim it is against this spiritual movement, perhaps you could just not mention at all.


If people are going to promote bad, health damaging diets like veganism as spiritual which is common among the mainstream RHP ideologies. Then I will continue to point out the error of their claims.



yazyd wrote:
The nutrition you speak of in animal products is present, though why consume it encased in saturated fat, cancer causing compounds, toxins, antibiotics and hormones is beyond me. Obtain animal foods in some superior way? Let us know instead of making this entire thread anti-vegan...


Funny if all this was true... the healthiest people on earth eat animal products. And don't require a bottle of supplements to attempt to avoid getting ill from removing animal products from their diet like vegans do. What you state is not in line with what is happening.



yazyd wrote:
simply speak of what you do which you consider best. And have you been lied to by some vegans recently? I wish speciesism were a lie. Eating cows and keeping dogs for pets is speciest. Benenfitting from beings which do not have a voice is unethical, period. This includes funding sweat shops and child labour. So, particularly, I have a bone to pick with environmentally and ethically aware human beings which still consume animal products, missing entire species from their free world happy planet movement. A good example of non-speciesim would be serial killers which consume animals and also butcher humans. Or veganism.



Your simply choosing one life over another when you make your diet choices based on your own bias. That is speciesism your guilty of. Better learn to live on air or your simply a moralist hypocrite. Its good to know that serial murders are not specieist that must be the most important thing ever.

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Lets not forget the vegan activist leaders like Jewoosky the god of vegans, who stated all men who ate meat should be anally raped to death and any women who wear fur should be violently sexually assaulted as well.

Then we have another famous vegan activist screaming non vegans don't deserve to live.

And just about every major vegan channel just on utube praise one or two of these people. What does that tell you?

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Why Vegan?

From the Jewish Protocols:




We, on the contrary, are concerned in the opposite—in the degeneration of the Goys. Our power lies in the chronic malnutrition and in the weakness of the worker, because through this he falls under our power and is unable to find either strength or energy to combat it.



Now make you want of this document but everything written in its pages has come to pass. Dr. Henry Ford in his paper The Dearborn Independent, which had the third largest circulation in America at the time. Stated he published the Protocols because he saw them actually coming true all around him. And of course the Jews made it the death penalty to open a copy of them when they created the Communist regime in the former Russian Empire. The smartest people in the world who read the Protocols believed they were real. The Jews have weaponized diet.


While people have the right to eat what they want. One should understand the origins of how they are eating and why and practice conscious eating. Especially when it comes to Veganism. Veganism is malnutrition and causes serious psychophysical health issues in those on a Vegan diet. If you don't take serious amounts of vitamin injections and take supplements hand over first your going to get very sick and possibility die on a long term Vegan diet which has happened. Most people report feeling weak and not well on a Vegan diet and most only stay on such a diet for not very long due to the bad effects of it.

If we look to the origins of this Veganism in the West we will see it started with the different Christian sects in the Roman Empire. The Catholic church also had people go on Vegan diets during Lent and remove as much meat as possible out of their diets on Fridays. The Monks were also forced onto Vegan style diets. The texts claimed some of the Greek Philosophers believed in Veganism. But the Church founders bragged about how they destroyed the entire Pagan civilization and what they didn't destroy they rewrote to make it into a Christian propaganda tract. The works of the Greeks we have left such as Plato, Aristotle, Pythagoras are corrupted. The ancient Greeks were not Vegan they ate meat and animal products. They also ate meat as part of their religious festivals. The Spiritual Schools of the Philosophers were part of Greek culture not apart from them. Its revealing the enemy went to the length to insert Veganism into those corrupt texts. [1]


The rise of Veganism in America started with the evangelical Christian movements such as the Seventh Day Adventists and Hygienists movements. They promoted Veganism as Christianity always has. Today many Vegan tracts openly repeat the lies of the Hygienist movements claims on humans being a Vegan species. If we move onto the Soviet Union the populace was put on Vegan diets by engineered food storages for the masses. while the Jewish leaders ate so much they were the only fat people in the USSR. This was done on purpose to weaken the populace the Jews also did this to the extreme within the death camp, GULAG system they ran. Purposely putting the inmates on Vegan diets that literally drove many of them insane. [2]



The Vegan Movement today is founded and run off Jewish ideology such as the Communist Jew, Singer and his Animal Liberation writings and the others Jews like Kupfer-Koberwitz who popularized the Animal Holocaust ideology that runs PETA. Note with PETA they did two major propaganda drives based on this and.....

" Holocaust on your Plate" exhibition consisted of eight 60-square-foot (5.6 m2) panels, each juxtaposing images of the Holocaust with images of factory-farmed animals. Photographs of concentration camp inmates were displayed next to photographs of battery chickens, and piled bodies of Holocaust victims next to a pile of pig carcasses. Captions alleged that "like the Jews murdered in concentration camps, animals are terrorized when they are housed in huge filthy warehouses and rounded up for shipment to slaughter. The leather sofa and handbag are the moral equivalent of the lampshades made from the skins of people killed in the death camps."

The exhibition was funded by an anonymous Jewish philanthropist,"[3]


The Jews run the Factory Farms and then turn around and use what they do in their own farms as propaganda drive to get people into Veganism. Note how many Jewish faces their are in the Vegan community, the major Vegan events are run by Jews. Where they promote the Jewish agenda of pacifism, cultural Marxism and Holocaustanity. Veganism is an ideology not just a diet and its Ideology is openly Jewish Communism. Note how the Vegans are always trying to take over the animal rights movements and demand everyone become Vegan or they have no place within such. Its away to bully and guilt people into accepting the Jewish agenda.

False philanthropy is the number one subservice tactic of the Jewish races war on humanity.


[1]
Eros and the Mysteries of Love, Evola
The Greek Kabala, K, Barry
Spontaneous Evolution, Bruce H. Lipton and Steve Bhaerman

[2]
Kolyma the Arctic Death Camps, Robert Conquest

[3]
wikipedia.org/wiki/Animalrights_and_the_Holocaust

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Note the jew like mentality veganism puts into peoples brains, facts are racist....... Facts are auntisemitic......Facts are specieist.

The constant drum beat of name calling over an offering an actual logical argument. Any information that does not fit will be attacked with calling it a mean name.... And dismissing the other as morally inferior a true sinner!

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Vegans Found To Have More Cancer, Allergies And Mental Health Disorders

http://www.science20.com/news_articles

Population-based studies have consistently shown that our diet has an influence on health - a diet rich in fruits and vegetables is recommended.

But some people go overboard and just eat meat. Or just eat vegetables. Evidence for health benefits of exclusive diets is scant. Vegetarians are considered healthier, they are wealthier, they are more liberal, they drink less alcohol and they smoke less - but those are a lot of variables in health that don't necessarily result from being a vegetarian.

A cross-sectional study taken from the Austrian Health Interview Survey AT-HIS 2006/07 found that vegetarians are actually less healthy than normal eaters. Subjects were matched according to their age, sex, and socioeconomic status leaving 1320 people - 330 vegetarians, 330 that ate meat but still a lot of fruits and vegetables, 300 normal eaters but that ate less meat, and 330 on a more carnivorous diet.

After controlling for variables, they found that vegetarians did have lower BMI and alcohol consumption but had poorer overall health. Vegetarians had higher incidences of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders, a higher need for health care, and poorer quality of life.

As a result, vegetarians take more medications than non-vegetarians.


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I just love this section on absurd of vegan diets . I will post your articles on as many vegan YT threads as I can . Hopefully people will realize what the veganism is all about .


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I want to contradict just one of the many bullshit you said:
The possibility of a sensitivity of plants is often used as an excuse to reject the arguments of animal liberation; However, it is worth looking at the issue more thoroughly.

When I face the theme of the domain that humans have exerted on other animals, and especially the issue of meat, many people are put immediately to speak of plants in an aggressive manner: according to them, the plants think, are aware, cry, suffer or revel. Typically, these people are in perfect bad faith and if they pretend to be interested in the fate of the plants will only do so in order to better continue to despise that of animals; so that, after having highlighted the fact that reject the comparison, that is their purpose, they do not want to hear about taking seriously the interests of animals, stop to discuss in similar conditions. But I can enjoy stay at their game: if the plants were susceptible, the argument against eating meat would be strengthened - at least at the logical level. In fact, given that to produce 1 g of protein of animal origin, it takes 5 to 10 grams of proteins of vegetable origin, stop eating animals, while continuing to eat plants, would reduce the amount of suffering imposed to the latter by a factor of 5 to 10; here is a nice topic ... but not in any way detract from the speakers: they think in terms of all or nothing, because in fact they totally care less of that suffering that have the delicacy to attribute to the plants.

It is not my belief, or a revealed truth to which I cling because I like - even if it is clear that it is more pleasant for me to think that plants do not participate in the vast concert of suffering.

I think it is the most likely event that is in accordance (in harmony) with the facts at my disposal and with understanding of the world that I, at least in part, built on these facts.

The first reason, already considerable, is that there is no known plant species that has a nervous system, which is not surprising, since the function of this system is to activate the muscles and at the same time - precisely because there is motor skills - to transport the collected information from different receptors. While animals organisms have evolved to a considerable functional centralization in the course of natural history, plants have not done so. This absence of centralization, this autonomy of each part against the other, which allows for example the practice of cuttings, makes it very difficult to apply the concept of individuality to plants; if the plants suffer, you should ask who is suffering: every leaf ...? We have to consider a strawberry plant as a single unit or as multiple units sensitive? And in this case, from what point of their development? Suffer together, or individually, or only the roots? It is consciousness? Here are some specific questions that arise when it evokes the idea of ​​a feeling or a conscience, but no one ever asks. But in any case, even if one can say that there is transfer of information, to the extent that some molecules move, interact in different places of the plant with receptors and create in this way their chain effects, this does not mean to establish that a conscience receives, the centralizing and "traits".

This is a translation of a text on a website which I have not the possibility to attach, but in my opinion says it all about the bullshit that omnivores say on the suffering of the plants ...

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You understand thousands of animals are killed and badly wounded every and go extinct over plant farming.......

You might as well eat a burger cause all those animals suffered and died for your tufu anyway just like the burger.

carbocatione wrote:
I want to contradict just one of the many bullshit you said:
The possibility of a sensitivity of plants is often used as an excuse to reject the arguments of animal liberation; However, it is worth looking at the issue more thoroughly.

When I face the theme of the domain that humans have exerted on other animals, and especially the issue of meat, many people are put immediately to speak of plants in an aggressive manner: according to them, the plants think, are aware, cry, suffer or revel. Typically, these people are in perfect bad faith and if they pretend to be interested in the fate of the plants will only do so in order to better continue to despise that of animals; so that, after having highlighted the fact that reject the comparison, that is their purpose, they do not want to hear about taking seriously the interests of animals, stop to discuss in similar conditions. But I can enjoy stay at their game: if the plants were susceptible, the argument against eating meat would be strengthened - at least at the logical level. In fact, given that to produce 1 g of protein of animal origin, it takes 5 to 10 grams of proteins of vegetable origin, stop eating animals, while continuing to eat plants, would reduce the amount of suffering imposed to the latter by a factor of 5 to 10; here is a nice topic ... but not in any way detract from the speakers: they think in terms of all or nothing, because in fact they totally care less of that suffering that have the delicacy to attribute to the plants.

It is not my belief, or a revealed truth to which I cling because I like - even if it is clear that it is more pleasant for me to think that plants do not participate in the vast concert of suffering.

I think it is the most likely event that is in accordance (in harmony) with the facts at my disposal and with understanding of the world that I, at least in part, built on these facts.

The first reason, already considerable, is that there is no known plant species that has a nervous system, which is not surprising, since the function of this system is to activate the muscles and at the same time - precisely because there is motor skills - to transport the collected information from different receptors. While animals organisms have evolved to a considerable functional centralization in the course of natural history, plants have not done so. This absence of centralization, this autonomy of each part against the other, which allows for example the practice of cuttings, makes it very difficult to apply the concept of individuality to plants; if the plants suffer, you should ask who is suffering: every leaf ...? We have to consider a strawberry plant as a single unit or as multiple units sensitive? And in this case, from what point of their development? Suffer together, or individually, or only the roots? It is consciousness? Here are some specific questions that arise when it evokes the idea of ​​a feeling or a conscience, but no one ever asks. But in any case, even if one can say that there is transfer of information, to the extent that some molecules move, interact in different places of the plant with receptors and create in this way their chain effects, this does not mean to establish that a conscience receives, the centralizing and "traits".

This is a translation of a text on a website which I have not the possibility to attach, but in my opinion says it all about the bullshit that omnivores say on the suffering of the plants ...


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Gross! I never knew about the eating meat without blood. Absolutely sickening what these kikes do to animals!


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